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Jimmy Pancakes
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NAGB, rinse and repeat - seems to be the end state for most of the NAGB’s - lol.
Well on a more positive note and despite the horrible economy at the current moment, I was able to get my Christmas Tree up today.
With the shit he said to me all I got Is“fuck Ken, that little bitch”.
Seriously. I did ask insistently on the production numbers and cost. He blatantly refused with no good reason. I mean it’s not like they’re TRK’s who’s production numbers are readily available with costs, mind you costs are 40-50 years ago.
I flat out don’t believe anything he says. I also certainly don’t believe that the chips were upwards of $4 cost from Paulson. All he had to do was prove his statement of cost, after all he made the statement.
Rumor abounds that he produced upward of 150k to 200k chips, bless his heart. Profit is good even if he made only $1 a chip. But again they’re available in great quantity and can be made again. They’re not like pick hobsons or Nevada lodge chips, leaded rolls Royce chips that once sold rarely surface in quantity ever again.
I see that even at a loss some are sitting unsold, pricing problem? Economy problem? I guess it doesn’t matter.
Some have railed me on the starlite Trk find and the price because they “know what I paid”. That’s fine if you think that cost to the buyer is in any way relative to the price from the seller, IT IS NOT RELATED. If you bought Mapes chips for $3 are you obligated to sell them under $4? NO.
You can NEVER get a like new leaded Trk set in modern times. They are no longer produced in that quality. CPC certainly has a small crown mold but the quality of those chips and the inlay installation and lightweight status is far from Rolls Royce but more like ford bronco. While still nice and of decent quality not TRK’s. Everyone has their theories on chips and this post isn’t to debate that. As those who know me know, come up against me with personal attacks for simple questions or statements of fact you will get PUSH BACK.
But the guy called me Butt Hurt that I didn’t get any, amongst other things leading to my “fuck his butch ass” attitude toward what is in reality a fleecing of the community. HEY. KEN. THEYRE FOR SALE ALL OVER THE PLACE and I still don’t own any there guy.
Lastly I have to give props to the stated designer JeepologyOffroad who for many tastes knocked it outta the park in the design department!!
If the chips were $4 The Paris Las Vegas wouldn’t be stamping out 10g $1 chips by the thousands and taking no measures against harvesters who our group alone hauled 30,000 chips and that doesn’t count Bergs and others who also harvested hundreds or thousands of chips, and I’ll only mention Ballys chips etc.
I no longer care what the numbers are on the tigers and the other nagbs because I don’t own many nagb’s but don’t come telling us they are $4-$5 cost and are rare. They’re NOT RARE. HELL THEY'RE NOT EVEN REAL chips ordered by a real business in the casino related industry. They were simply a money grab produced solely for profit with little concern for “bringing chips to the community”. And far from the quality of leaded THC or other Paulson chips selling for way less. It’s truly an astonishing phenomenon these nagb chips.
End of rant.
JeepologyOffroad
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I respect your opinion and also can agree on many of those things, Dan. I too believe lead is king and certainly a lot of the rest of your comments have some merit. But I will just agree to disagree on several of those points in relation to new chips and NAGB in general. It is something one doesn’t really understand or comprehend until they go through it first hand and actively maintains a purposeful bird’s eye view of both the process and the overall state of the market day in and day out. And I’ll just briefly mention the amount of work and effort as well.
I love the old school classic V8 muscle cars of old. Nothing compares to the feeling behind the wheel of an old rumbly Mustang, Camaro, or GTO. And the look. The look of a ‘67 Mustang is just a timeless beauty. They just don’t make cars like that anymore…. But now hop into a modern day GT500. Sure, it’s not even close to the same thing as the ‘67, but man is it a badass car. It’s faster and more comfortable and still beautiful in it’s own category. It’s no ‘67, but it’s not supposed to be and serves a different purpose than that classic does. It’s not trying to replace the classic, but instead it’s more of a modern day useful homage to something that won’t ever be manufactured again. And one day… I’m sure that new GT500 will join the ranks of all the classics too. It will never be a ‘67, but it will ultimately also end up as a car with it’s own story and appreciated for it’s own unique nature that would have never been possible without it’s predecessor.
But I digress and again can’t fault you for many of the opinions above. Bottom line and I agree… sell those TRKs (or any chips, even “fake” ones) for what they are worth and what the market will pay.
I love the old school classic V8 muscle cars of old. Nothing compares to the feeling behind the wheel of an old rumbly Mustang, Camaro, or GTO. And the look. The look of a ‘67 Mustang is just a timeless beauty. They just don’t make cars like that anymore…. But now hop into a modern day GT500. Sure, it’s not even close to the same thing as the ‘67, but man is it a badass car. It’s faster and more comfortable and still beautiful in it’s own category. It’s no ‘67, but it’s not supposed to be and serves a different purpose than that classic does. It’s not trying to replace the classic, but instead it’s more of a modern day useful homage to something that won’t ever be manufactured again. And one day… I’m sure that new GT500 will join the ranks of all the classics too. It will never be a ‘67, but it will ultimately also end up as a car with it’s own story and appreciated for it’s own unique nature that would have never been possible without it’s predecessor.
But I digress and again can’t fault you for many of the opinions above. Bottom line and I agree… sell those TRKs (or any chips, even “fake” ones) for what they are worth and what the market will pay.
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I agree with pretty much everything here, up until the bolded part. Real question: does it matter if a Paulson is "real" or not? I mean, is a chip that was made for some random Casino in butt-plug middle of nowhere better than a chip made for a nagb? I sure don't think so. Casino in Las Vegas or a casino with a long and interesting history? Sure, i'll buy that. Some casino from Cincinnati, Detroit, or wherever else? Who cares, imo. At that point, the only thing I care about is the chip itself (design, colours, etc.)
Personally, at the beginning of my chipping journey, I was drawn to newer chips, esp. the NAGB chips, mainly because of the bright colour schemes and, frankly, their availability. Nowadays, I find that my tastes have expanded to other chips, including chips from real casinos (open or closed), leaded chips, custom CPCs. Heck, I even dipped my toe into the custom Chinese ceramic pool, but they're just not for me. The only chips I actually haven't had a chance to own or handle are TRKs - they're certainly more rare than others. Are they better? I honestly can't say until I've tried them myself. Hopefully I have the opportunity to do so one day. That said, none of that has dimished my feelings for modern, non-leaded THCs like the various NAGB. Each chip has their own qualities and each have a place on my chipping shelf.
What I can certainly respect is that everyone has different tastes, and those tastes can evolve over time. If someone thinks modern, non-leaded THCs or old-school TRKs or even (gasp) plastic Matsuis or Abbiatis are the best thing ever, who am I to disagree?
I guess I also digressed. Lol. My point was less about the actual “profits” but the way folks were purposely distracted as to availability, rarity etc. but what flares my ire is thinking about some of the lack of respect in defense of the numbers and profits which digressed into name calling and argument. I don’t really care what Ken made in profits, the honesty and transparency is what I had issue with and the insults and name calling could have been replaced with a simple “it’s none of your business”. That in itself would have been transparent enough. I get the work involved, it took me 2 plane tickets, hotel stays and shipping on 18k chips to hear from some, well you only paid $2. Well add it all up. I get it.
I’m a buyer of PH fracs at $3 I mean they were .50 cents! right Leo822 ??
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Yep, I can totally agree with that and honestly knew that was where it all stemmed from after our talks. Respect is always something to hold true to.
And as for the work portion I’m glad you see that side. The amount of man hours of actual effort and work for Tigers was actually absurd. Which, admittedly, is why I defend them so much. My life revolved around that work and every aspect of it every single day. So spotting inaccuracies in comments about the matter is blaringly obvious from my POV.
Dammit, Dan! Stop running up the price.
Eh!Hole
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I dare say I'd go as high as tree-fiddy for those.
At one time and after a 3 year chase, my PH set looked like this.I dare say I'd go as high as tree-fiddy for those.
I ended up trading away one of those beautiful minty racks for this portion of my 7 year chase with another cherished set of mine.
In time, that piece of the chase helped make a dream look like this.
Much of the time and especially in this hobby particularly, it’s the painstaking and time consuming aspects put into projects that make them so valuable to their owners.
It’s why the price of “turnkey” on so many of the rarer sets is what it is. Most of these vintage sets, even if you were in the hobby over 20 years ago (which I was not) were never turnkey for any of their owners. Although some in the hobby, mainly because of timing, did have much easier and less expensive journeys putting some of their sets together.
I’ve always enjoyed a good challenge, some challenges have the ability to suck a little life out of you. The NL/NC and PH sets were those kind of journey’s.
I’m not so sure there’s a number I can put on those journeys, but if I were to take a guess at it, it would probably start with a brand new Hellcat Challenger (Jailbreak edition) sitting in my garage and a few stacks of high society sitting in the passenger seat.
I’d begrudgingly be all ears, MAYBE!
STuDioSuRFiNG
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If fair equals every sale was a secret ballot with suspiciously low numbers of chips needed to make certain sets, I’m extremely confused.
To this day why some chips are just not available raises my suspicion as to motives but hey I didn’t spend $5 each to produce them so it’s all conspiracies on my part.
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