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Is it my imagination or is there a lot of rare chips in dead mint like new condition? You know I’ve see more Sands chips in the TRK that were 3-5000 dollars in the past, not to mention every H Mold chip that’s rare comes out in like new condition!

Seems so very weird. Co-incidentally it would seem that the Small Crown Mold and the HCE H mold are actually in current rotation at a clay chip manufacturer. The same company that, if I’m not mistaken bought the small crown mold and other items from TRKing, the same company that was shuffled out of Vegas and eventually Nevada because of their practice of making “extra” chips from real casinos and selling them down the line.

I know Paulson was warned for doing this same monkey business back in the day, Eddie’s, Mint, and others.

What prevents the current owner(s) from doing that exact same thing ? I know Paulson wouldn’t monkey around as they have way to much at stake but the other has nothing to loose. Especially a license which they don’t possess.

There is just way too many chips coming out in new condition that are supposedly 40-50-60-70 years old.

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I wonder. Does cpc have the rectangle mold too I understand they have agreed with a dealer to lower the value of certain chips on that mold.

Garbage. Pure garbage.
 
The only notable molds that CPC has in their inventory would be: H.C.E (H-mold), Horsehead, Small Crown, Large Crown and DieCar. Even out of those molds there aren't chips that you should be worried about being reproduced. CPC from what I remember seeing somewhere said that they will never reproduce chips with identical inlays, edge spots, base colors etc. If someone wants to do that themselves then go for it, but that's very unethical. If CPC were to do that without some sort of commemorative aspect on the inlay or mentioning it to the person creating the chips then I'd be concerned.

I believe that the owners of CPC are some of the most knowledgeable people in the hobby. They've been around it for over 20+ years, know the ins and outs, know the people that have worked for said companies and more. They have the information, they know the history and they know not to make remakes of chips that are rare and expensive. Out of the molds listed, the only two that stand out to me for having rare and expensive chips is really Small Crown and Large Crown. Unfortunately they just aren't the same original TRKs that were produced by TR King up until around 2006 or so. The Sands TRKs that came out and are new I'd like to say are original. If you look at the order card from TR King; there were 20k $5s ordered (can't confirm that these are the same ones, but still), 7.5k $25s ordered and 2.5k $100s ordered. Why at that time would a casino like the Sands need that many chips? Vegas was just starting to get popular, like really popular as you had people like the Rat Pack in town especially performing at the Sands. 7,500 $25s and 2,500 $100s is a lot of chips to have at the tables in the 60s when many people weren't betting $100 at the tables, let along maybe not even using $25 chips. This is what I would think, but maybe I'm wrong. That's the reason I've thought the Sands TRKs are the real deal from the 60s and not some remakes that people think.

The $500 and $1000 Harolds Club chips I think were just too high of a denomination to be used at the time when they were ordered. Maybe they were ordered in case someone would want to bet that much, but that was A TON of money back then.
 
Okku said:
The only notable molds that CPC has in their inventory would be: H.C.E (H-mold), Horsehead, Small Crown, Large Crown and DieCar. Even out of those molds there aren't chips that you should be worried about being reproduced. CPC from what I remember seeing somewhere said that they will never reproduce chips with identical inlays, edge spots, base colors etc. If someone wants to do that themselves then go for it, but that's very unethical. If CPC were to do that without some sort of commemorative aspect on the inlay or mentioning it to the person creating the chips then I'd be concerned.

I believe that the owners of CPC are some of the most knowledgeable people in the hobby. They've been around it for over 20+ years, know the ins and outs, know the people that have worked for said companies and more. They have the information, they know the history and they know not to make remakes of chips that are rare and expensive. Out of the molds listed, the only two that stand out to me for having rare and expensive chips is really Small Crown and Large Crown. Unfortunately they just aren't the same original TRKs that were produced by TR King up until around 2006 or so. The Sands TRKs that came out and are new I'd like to say are original. If you look at the order card from TR King; there were 20k $5s ordered (can't confirm that these are the same ones, but still), 7.5k $25s ordered and 2.5k $100s ordered. Why at that time would a casino like the Sands need that many chips? Vegas was just starting to get popular, like really popular as you had people like the Rat Pack in town especially performing at the Sands. 7,500 $25s and 2,500 $100s is a lot of chips to have at the tables in the 60s when many people weren't betting $100 at the tables, let along maybe not even using $25 chips. This is what I would think, but maybe I'm wrong. That's the reason I've thought the Sands TRKs are the real deal from the 60s and not some remakes that people think.

The $500 and $1000 Harolds Club chips I think were just too high of a denomination to be used at the time when they were ordered. Maybe they were ordered in case someone would want to bet that much, but that was A TON of money back then.
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I hope your right.
 
If CPC manufactured small crown 10g+ custom chips were available, without slugging, I'm pretty sure it would have been done by now. Not to mention the texture and feel of say, a CPC scrown Deadwood is pretty different compared to an Nevada lodge blurple, don't you think??
 
J10suit3d said:
If CPC manufactured small crown 10g+ custom chips were available, without slugging, I'm pretty sure it would have been done by now. Not to mention the texture and feel of say, a CPC scrown Deadwood is pretty different compared to an Nevada lodge blurple, don't you think??
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I actually think the mold was purchased so its the same one.
I think that, yes, in general I wouldn't want to produce consumer products that contain lead.
I KNOW that lead isn't illegal, you can buy it anywhere. Unrestricted.
Producing fakes would be as easy as changing a light bulb.

The ONLY thing that would stop someone from doing it is integrity and morals.

When I see all the conflicts ie. Dealer, buyer, seller, manufacturer, author of price guide and assurances from an author to a dealer within the last week that the value of certain chips would be greatly reduced in the next issue of the farce called the chip rack.makes me believe that those things are compromised at best.

Chipping is a very small hobby and there are some doing everything they can to control it. Its growth being hindered at every opportunity with profit in mind. Leadership of a national club should be by CHIPPERS, not salesmen and dealers. Certain club(s) market only to their membership, how does that grow a hobby?

When they feel threatened there's longer and sharper pitchforks than at PCF!

Money does strange things to people. While I'm stopping just short of an accusation, I'm skeptical at the very least.

And.......... I'm far from alone in this thought. I'm a chipper, yes I sell a few trinkets that I no longer collect or Tributes but definitely not a dealer. I have no fear of chips being available to me due to my opinions (of which these all are). and I do NOT worry about someone refusing to sell me something as every single chip into my sets are purely a bonus or passed by so availability remains (not hoarding for value protection).
 
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here:

CPC produces chips for NO NEVADA CASINO.

So there would be no reason for it to be licensed in that state (as has been said). The regulation requirements alone would take a large staff to monitor compliance. Plus any other states individually.

 
Okku said:
Deadwoods were made by TR King before they closed and were originally ordered via Apache Poker Chips, then sold on his website up until TR King closed its doors.
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Deadwood’s weren’t the amazing good old TRK feel but they were pretty good.
I’d buy sets of those in a minute today if they were made the same.

The CPC feel is obvious different and really to me isn’t great.

But it is almost identical to the old Hmold feel but not quite
Some of the old H mold chips like Harold’s were better

They need the HS mold and Swirl Die molds back and slug the chips like old 12g c&J or Binions $1s
 
Dan Madrigrano said:
Is it my imagination or is there a lot of rare chips in dead mint like new condition? You know I’ve see more Sands chips in the TRK that were 3-5000 dollars in the past, not to mention every H Mold chip that’s rare comes out in like new condition!

Seems so very weird. Co-incidentally it would seem that the Small Crown Mold and the HCE H mold are actually in current rotation at a clay chip manufacturer. The same company that, if I’m not mistaken bought the small crown mold and other items from TRKing, the same company that was shuffled out of Vegas and eventually Nevada because of their practice of making “extra” chips from real casinos and selling them down the line.

I know Paulson was warned for doing this same monkey business back in the day, Eddie’s, Mint, and others.

What prevents the current owner(s) from doing that exact same thing ? I know Paulson wouldn’t monkey around as they have way to much at stake but the other has nothing to loose. Especially a license which they don’t possess.

There is just way too many chips coming out in new condition that are supposedly 40-50-60-70 years old.

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It's interesting and alarming. The chip hobby/business can definitely use a fact check and grading element to help with rarity and authenticity of their chips.
 
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